MAL EXPOSES What REALLY Happened With Joe Budden! Rory's BETRAYAL, Parks' SILENCE & The STOLEN MONEY

MAL BREAKS SILENCE on the Joe Budden Podcast breakup, accusing his former friend of stealing money, exposing a disputed $140,000 accounting discrepancy, and revealing why he and Rory weren't paid for YouTube revenue. In this full It's Up There Podcast interview, Big Loon sits down with New Rory & MAL co-host Jamil "Mal" Clay for a revealing conversation about the collapse of one of hip-hop's biggest podcast partnerships.

Mal explains the percentage agreement with Joe Budden, the missing accounting he says was never properly provided, and the moment Joe told Rory not to return to the studio. He also addresses Parks' role, Ice and Ish replacing the original hosts, the Joe Budden Network, Spotify, and the controversial Patreon announcement.

The conversation gets personal as Mal explains why he sided with Rory despite his longtime friendship with Joe, why he refuses to say Joe Budden's name, and what happened behind the scenes when the business relationship fell apart. Mal also addresses Charlamagne Tha God, DJ Akademiks, the disputed $10 million figure, and how he and Rory rebuilt their careers with their own podcast, SiriusXM partnership, and sold-out live shows.

Since this conversation was recorded, New Rory & MAL has expanded to Netflix, adding another chapter to the story of their independence. 🙏🏾 IT'S UP THERE IS BACK! Big Loon thanks everyone who supported the platform during his serious health scare as recorded conversations continue to be released. **THE BACKSTORY:** Joe Budden addresses the Rory & Mal breakup: New Rory & MAL on Netflix: **SUPPORT THE PLATFORM:** Exclusive interviews and Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/itsuptherepodcast Follow Big Loon: Subscribe, LIKE, COMMENT and SHARE. #JoeBuddenPodcast #RoryAndMal #ItsUpTherePodcast 00:00 Mal From The New Rory & Mal 04:26 Mal Joins Big Loon 05:01 New Rory & Mal Selling Out London 05:46 Building A Real Podcast Business 07:24 Rory & Mal's Creative Vision 08:09 The "We Got Fired" Skit 09:16 The Joe Budden Podcast Breakup 10:05 Mal On Helping Joe Build The Show 11:11 Principle Over Friendship 12:26 Mal Says Money Was Stolen 12:52 "I Already Knew How To Fish" 13:27 Joe Budden & Misplaced Leverage 16:10 Why Mal Refused To Abandon Rory & "Parks Knows" 20:10 Ownership, Branding & Podcast Business 21:21 How Much Did Mal Help Build JBP? 21:56 Joe Budden After Everyday Struggle 24:04 Did Joe Need Rory & Mal More Than He Admits? 27:14 Money Changes The Friendship 29:11 Why Rory & Mal Needed The Accounting 31:12 Mal Says Big Checks Changed Joe 31:30 The Patreon Announcement 37:14 Joe Budden's Spotify Rants Come Back Around 39:21 The $140K Accounting "Mistake" 40:51 What Was The Joe Budden Network? 45:51 Mal Says They Got Nothing From YouTube Video 49:05 Why Rory & Mal Didn't Build A Side Podcast 52:40 Why Mal Chose Rory 55:17 "Ish Knows" / "Parks Knows" 59:53 The New Rory & Mal Deal & Reported $10M Number 1:04:34 Friendship, Money & Ego 1:07:20 The Staff Meeting That Changed Everything 1:08:22 Why Rory Was Told Not To Come In 1:11:03 Mal Says Parks Is Too Deep In 1:14:12 Life After The Breakup 1:15:29 "I Will Never Say His Name" & Mal Accuses Joe Of Stealing 1:17:40 Mal Says He Once Sat In Jail With Joe 1:20:00 Loyalty, Friendship & Moving On Join Our Its Up There Podcast Clip Channel now Discord For all exclusive interviews & more content not here click here https://www.patreon.com/itsuptherepodcast 🚨Unreleased Interviews https://www.patreon.com/itsuptherepodcast 🦺All Merch Options 🎧LISTEN ON SPOTIFY: 👀 SUBSCRIBE HERE: 👂 LISTEN ON APPLE PODCASTS: See for privacy information.