Lena Waithe: Emotional Nudity

Vic sits down with Lena Waithe, the Emmy-winning writer and creator of hit Showtime series "The Chi." They start with defining what it means to make honest art and the difference between hurting someone and harming them. They also discuss their shared love of history, which helped them realize that patriarchy shapes everyone, and the lessons they learned from Martin and Malcolm about agreeing with an adversary quickly.

Vic talks about playing Jamal on The Chi and trade stories about the city that raised them. Follow @vicmensa · @lenawaithe Guest: Lena Waithe (00:00) Cold open (01:26) Making honest art (05:45) Coming out and the TV version (12:12) Ghana, colonialism and "no gay people in Africa" (16:36) Patriarchy and who it serves (23:08) Books, King and Malcolm (37:23) Chicago and telling the human story (43:09) Jamal and the cell (55:09) Childless by choice (57:37) Vipassana Learn more about your ad choices.

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