215 .The Journalist and The Serial Killer with Maria DiLorenza, Part 1

Janet Malcolm once wrote that every journalist who truly understands their work knows its moral ambiguity. She was describing the uneasy intimacy between reporter and subject — and how that bond can fracture.

But sometimes, the journalist isn’t the most manipulative person in the room. Maria DiLorenzo, one of the only journalists to interview Gary Ridgway, joins me to explore her years‑long relationship with the Green River Killer, his double life, his psychology, and the early failures that let him keep killing.

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