We Built Different: A Refined & Ratchet x But Make It Books Collab

Season 3 is officially HERE, and we are opening the doors with the collab you didn't know you needed. Join Niccara as she welcomes the dynamic duo behind Refined & Ratchet — Charlee and Nisha — to the pod for a conversation that's equal parts unfiltered and essential.

We get into what it really means to be a reader in the age of the algorithm, the real difference between community building and networking (because they are NOT the same thing), and why the book community is sometimes harder on itself than it is on anyone else. Plus, hot takes, book recs, and a rapid-fire round that reveals who's a dog-earer and who absolutely is not.

Perfect for readers who are deeply invested in Black book culture, content creation, authentic community, and the love of the game — especially when the algorithm isn't on your side. If you've ever asked yourself why you're in this space, this episode is your mirror.

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African Ancestry We are the pioneers of genetic ancestry tracing for Black people globally, reconnecting you to your specific African roots–the country and the people. Our scientists compare your DNA markers to the largest African reference database in the world in order to find your African origin up to 2000 years ago.

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