Marriage is Hard. So is Divorce. Which Hard Do You Choose?

What if the secret to a strong marriage isn't avoiding the hard parts, but actually choosing which hard parts you're willing to live with? In this episode, Byron and Margaret sit down with Jason and Christie McMullen, a couple who have been married 26 years and have personally mentored over 100 couples through their church in the Tampa Bay area.

What started as a ministry has turned into a movement, and they're bringing it all to the Beyond I Do table. They get into the gym analogy for marriage, why butterflies and bubbles aren't enough to sustain a relationship, and two communication tools that have genuinely changed how couples fight, "clear as kind" and "the story I'm telling myself." They also talk about the difference between men as waffles and women as spaghetti, why timing matters more than most couples realize, and the one rule they implemented in their marriage that eliminated a whole category of arguments.

This one is practical, honest, and a little bit funny. You'll want to listen with your spouse.

In this episode: Why love alone won't sustain your marriage The gym analogy that reframes commitment "Clear as kind" — how to ask for what you actually need Golf vs. tennis conversations — and why it matters which one you're having How to maintain intimacy when life is moving fast The 10 pm rule and why it works What "friends of your marriage" are and why you need them