
For years, we were told that algorithms were neutral. Just math.
Just code. Dr.
Safiya Umoja Noble asked a different question, and it changed the way the world thinks about technology. In this episode of B The Way Forward, host Brenda Darden Wilkerson sits down with the scholar, author, and educator whose groundbreaking book Algorithms of Oppression helped spark a global conversation about algorithmic bias years before most of us had the language for it.
Dr. Noble takes us back to the beginning: a working-poor childhood full of questions about how the world really works, fifteen years inside corporate telecom, a front-row seat to the dot-com boom and bust, and a PhD earned at forty-one; proof that the timeline you were handed is not the only timeline available to you.
She also gets honest about the cost. About Black women stepping back from leadership because they turn around and find no one behind them.
About the online violence pushing women and girls out of public life. And about why, right now, retreat is a luxury none of us can afford.
Connect with Safiya on Instagram We Learned About The search that exposed a system. Code is a language — and languages are subjective.
Technology and humanity were separated by design. There are now two education systems, and AI is deepening the divide.
Everyone has a lane, and everyone has leverage. Chapters: 00:00 Welcome Back: Presence, Passion, and Purpose 01:28 Meet Dr.
Safiya Umoja Noble 02:17 Curiosity, a Working-Poor Childhood, and a PhD at 41 04:23 Corporate Tech, the Dot-Com Bust, and a Skeptic's Eye 08:00 Why We Ever Believed Technology Was Neutral 09:53 From Chat Rooms to Search Engines 12:45 Gen Z Doesn't Trust Search Anymore 13:44 The Search That Started It All 16:33 Designing the Study: What the Data Revealed 19:22 Algorithms Are Not "Just Math" 20:53 The Bifurcation of Technology and the Humanities 22:20 What If Women Had Held the Power and the Resources? 24:35 Eugenics, Race Science, and the History of CS 26:25 Techno-Solutionism and the Defunding of the Humanities 28:15 Sabbatical, Stand-Up Comedy, and Staying Present 30:03 The Cognitive Cost of AI Dependence 33:22 When Being Device-Free Becomes a Luxury 34:49 Who Gets Chatbots and Who Gets Teachers 37:23 Data Centers, Water Bills, and Community Pushback 40:58 "We Are the Optimists" 42:19 Tell the Truth 44:17 An Ecosystem of Truth-Tellers 47:16 Find Your Lane: Where Everyday People Have Power 49:51 Pensions, Portfolios, and Pro-Social Technology 51:53 Trained vs. Educated 54:02 Advice for the Exhausted Changemaker 56:08 Building "Data in Society" at UCLA 57:26 Gen Z and Values-Aligned Work 58:59 Black Women, Leadership, and the Cost of Retreat 01:02:31 Closing Reflections #BTheWayForward #AnitaB #SafiyaNoble #AlgorithmsOfOppression #AlgorithmicBias #WomenInTech #ResponsibleAI #TechEquity
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